Comments on: Transitioning 3: AJA Kona Board with Adobe CS 5.5 http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/ Creative Director, Branding, Original Content Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.20 By: Walter Biscardi http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40708 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:34:22 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40708 The likelihood of perfection depends on how well you set up your system and ensure that everything you have set up is the best configuration you can possibly have for the OS / Software / Hardware. In our case we have two systems running Avid Media Composer 6, Adobe Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and FCP 7 on the exact same system. We can even run the same software at the same time and the Kona behaves just fine. Have you configured your system exactly as recommended by Matrox? That’s very important.

I’ve never used the Matrox products for editing so I can’t comment on them one way or the other. I’ve only use AJA products for the past 5 years or so and they’ve been rock solid so that’s why we continue to use them. We’ve never had issues with AJA output with FCP. There are a few minor issues with Premiere Pro that cause some sluggishness with a few formats with the AJA at the moment that are being addressed.

As for the industry making perfect products, they all support FCP, Premiere and Avid now with each of them requiring completely different plug-ins / drivers, etc… Sometimes it works well off the bat and other times it takes a few cycles for the products to work correctly.

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By: greytail http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40707 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:13:03 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40707 I am undergoing a really bad experience with Premier Pro CS5.5, principally because the Matrox Mini 02 does not play well with Premier. It drops frames and chokes it. I am about to give up and purchase a Kona card, but need to know if it will work in my system.

MacPro 3,1, Processor 2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 20 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM, NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 1536 MB, Mercury Pro Elite 4 disc Raid 0 capable of 225 MB/sec transfer. Some of this stuff was bought specifically for using Premier.

My question is about the slots in my MacPro. I am using the two fastest slots for the video card and a Estata card to connect with the Mercury Pro Raid.

The remaining slots are occupied by the Matrox stuff….the compress HD card and Matrox Mini 02. These are slower slots as I understand it.

Would the Kona card work in one of these? What is the likelihood of perfection ? I can’t understand why it is so difficult for the industry to provide us with trouble free output from Premier/FCP without hiccups, dropped frames and timelines that seem to go out of synch. FCP seems better with this than Premier but still drops frames.

Most of my editing is from Canon 5D MkIIs and 60D multi cams. I also record separate audio and match everything up with Pluraleyes. This program works great, except that in Premier, the tracks comes back with a different sequence setting than what it started out with! I think this has something to do with Matrox, not Premier.

The Kona card is expensive, but if it works it would be worth it.

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By: Walter Biscardi http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40706 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:29:47 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40706 In After Effects you would select the video output to be turned on, I can’t remember if it actually says “Kona board” or “AJA” or simply turning on the video output. But yes you can send your video output from AE to the external screen via the Kona board.

Generally when you see the AJA Kona show up as the error, it’s actually an out of memory error for the Mac itself but the AJA was the last thing in the chain before the machine died so you see that show up as the error. Most of the time it has nothing to do with the actual crash, it just happens to be the last thing the Mac saw before it died so it throws that up as the culprit of the error.

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By: petergaraway http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40705 Sat, 13 Aug 2011 04:18:30 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40705 Hi thomaskollerup,

In regards to the redraw/update issue you’re seeing relating to adjusting curves, AJA and Adobe are aware of the issue and are working diligently on providing a fix. Not sure the exact timeline, but I’ll try to find out and respond when I hear more.

As Walter mentioned, you can provide AJA (as well as Adobe) with any bugs you come across.

All the best,

-peter

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By: bobrien http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40704 Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:12:30 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40704 Thank you, Walter for all your sage advice and for this for this valuable video. I have a Kona LE board with the 8.1.2 driver.

Question: I just upgraded from 6x to FCP7 and moved to Snow Leopard. In the process I upgraded Adobe After Effects to CS 5.5. (I’m very slow to upgrade!)

Will the process that you describe above allow me to see the output of AE on my outboard monitor? Is there a way to do that?

Question 2:I’m now having occasional crashes of FCP and it references the Kona Board without giving any detail? Have you run into that?

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By: Walter Biscardi http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40703 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:48:41 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40703 Haven’t really played with the curves yet so I’m not sure of any weird behavior there. if you are seeing weirdness, definitely report to AJA via their Support page. Remember this is a brand new plug-in for CS 5.5 and once these things get out into the public, it’s normal to find oddities that did not appear in beta testing.

Yeah, scrolling the mouse up and down will make it scroll the timeline right to left. Something to get used to, though I don’t use a mouse hardly at all, we use Wacom Tablets for all our work. The one thing I do love is finally a timeline that moves along with the playhead again. Haven’t seen that since my Media 100 days. Yeah, I know Avid has had that all along too, but I forgot how nice it is to have the timeline auto advance while playing.

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By: thomaskollerup http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40702 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:29:17 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40702 Thanks Walter.

Strange, but it worked just as it should.
It still does some funny things.
When I adjust in curves on a clip, my monitor updates in half a second, and then it returns to the source image?
Then I need to click again in the timeæine, to see the changes.

Another thing that I noticed is the way my mouse is scrolling.
I am so used to scroll up/down to se all the tracks in my timeline, and right/left to go – yeah Right/Left in the timeline.
This is not working in Premiere… Everything else, I have set up as it was in FCP, so it works like I’m used to.

I think I’ll be happy with the system, once I get to know all the features, and get replacememts for the loved FCP plugins. I’ll be following you on this blog.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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By: Walter Biscardi http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40701 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:24:16 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40701 Adobe Premiere Pro > Preferences > Audio Hardware. Select anything OTHER than AJA. I have it set to Built In Output

System Preferences > Sound I have the output set to AJA Kona

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By: thomaskollerup http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40700 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:43:58 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40700 Hi Walter.
I to have installed the CS 5.5 Production Premium on one of my macs, and I have issues with the sound, altough I have installed the new Aja driver, and the plugins in that order.
The picture plaaying trough my Kona LHi card is perfect, but audio only plays sometimes (and sometimes stops while playing) also it seems like when using desktop audio (playing from other programs) it seems not to release the haredware from Premiere, som the audio doesn’t play.

What’s wrong with my system.
Final Cut Runs smoothly as always.

Specs:
MacPro 2010 vers.
Snow Leopard MAC OSX 10.6.8
Kona LHi driver 9.0.3
Aja Quicktime plugin 9.0.1

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By: Walter Biscardi http://walterbiscardi.net/transitioning-3-aja-kona-board-with-adobe-cs-5-5/#comment-40699 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:40:08 +0000 http://www.biscardicreative.com/blog/?p=1944#comment-40699 Most of the Post Houses and Broadcasters I talk to or work with in town are using Final Cut Pro. Also the majority of conversations I’ve had with locals seem to indicate they are either already moving to or strongly considering Adobe Premiere Pro.

The problem Avid faces right now is the lack of complete support for all third party peripherals used by Final Cut Pro. So if you have an FCP based facility, you will have to be ready to change a lot of third party hardware unless Avid continues to open up. We know that AJA Kona support is coming because they hinted at it during NAB 2011 and more or less confirmed it during a recent Twitter exchange. But what about the third party storage? In our case we run the Small Tree Ethernet SAN solution and we’re not sure how the Avid is going to talk to that. We’ll know shortly because we’re installing an Avid evaluation copy this weekend for testing.

But right now, Adobe basically drops straight into the FCP infrastructure and workflow with the least amount of interruption. At least that’s what I’m finding so far.

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